Irene and Seulgi

[Guest]

Well, I need to point out a few things: firstly, seulrene was considered a tragic ship, so there was no intention of pairing them up, nor did they make any effort to do so, so to read that the company devised a whole storyline for them so perfectly makes me laugh. Wr has always been and still is the team's choice for them.

there's a couple things I want to address with this since I've seen it said so much (and I don't think these things have to be taken in a negative light or a "omg SM totally made this ship for pr" way at all):

1. It's factually inaccurate to say there was no intention of pairing seulrene up or that there was no effort when pairing them up is what allowed red velvet to even happen in the first place. They got paired as rookies and after debut they also did photoshoots together and were often paired up in the group photoshoots. The subunit wouldn't have happened if SM had no intent to pair them together when it's clear they saw the potential. But at the same time I'd also say SM dropped the ball on actually capitalising on them enough.

2. SM does fluff up and exaggerate stories all the time and it's not a crime for people to point out many of the popular pairings have similar stories like they've known each other the longest etc. but I personally don't see much similarities beyond what fans project and the similarities in stories is because the SM training process hasn't changed. There's usually people in every group that are somewhat closer than the others because they knew each other the longest while others came and left. The idea that SM would make up a story for people to buy into when they have so much natural chemistry already is pretty ridiculous. They do lay on some stuff thick though and I think it's good for fans to be somewhat skeptical of what they're being fed but they could have said they just met and hit it off and people would still ship it. It doesn't take much.

3. Since RV aren't much into fanservice and skinship I wouldn't say WR were even a choice. I mean apart from the cosmic MV what was there really? where are their photoshoots? where are their interviews or stories etc.

This is just my opinion. I understand why seulrene is called a tragic ship but I wouldn't 100% agree that SM didn't push them to any extent.

Da Right? WR wasn't a pushed ship. It's just Wendy being greasy and Irene wanting skinship and seeing Wendy as a safe space like when she told her the female DJ was as her type. Irene also mentioned that she and Wendy are the most similar, though I can't remember the exact quote but you can tell they get along the most then so they were the 'bros' imo.

[Guest]

Damn, I went to the wrong topic, I thought it was seulrene.

[Guest]

Their comfortable touches that they always make sure to hide is so sus. Why always conceal it if it’s not gay? Het girls are very friendly and touchy so idgi

[Guest]

Well, I need to point out a few things: firstly, seulrene was considered a tragic ship, so there was no intention of pairing them up, nor did they make any effort to do so, so to read that the company devised a whole storyline for them so perfectly makes me laugh. Wr has always been and still is the team's choice for them.

there's a couple things I want to address with this since I've seen it said so much (and I don't think these things have to be taken in a negative light or a "omg SM totally made this ship for pr" way at all):

1. It's factually inaccurate to say there was no intention of pairing seulrene up or that there was no effort when pairing them up is what allowed red velvet to even happen in the first place. They got paired as rookies and after debut they also did photoshoots together and were often paired up in the group photoshoots. The subunit wouldn't have happened if SM had no intent to pair them together when it's clear they saw the potential. But at the same time I'd also say SM dropped the ball on actually capitalising on them enough.

2. SM does fluff up and exaggerate stories all the time and it's not a crime for people to point out many of the popular pairings have similar stories like they've known each other the longest etc. but I personally don't see much similarities beyond what fans project and the similarities in stories is because the SM training process hasn't changed. There's usually people in every group that are somewhat closer than the others because they knew each other the longest while others came and left. The idea that SM would make up a story for people to buy into when they have so much natural chemistry already is pretty ridiculous. They do lay on some stuff thick though and I think it's good for fans to be somewhat skeptical of what they're being fed but they could have said they just met and hit it off and people would still ship it. It doesn't take much.

3. Since RV aren't much into fanservice and skinship I wouldn't say WR were even a choice. I mean apart from the cosmic MV what was there really? where are their photoshoots? where are their interviews or stories etc.

This is just my opinion. I understand why seulrene is called a tragic ship but I wouldn't 100% agree that SM didn't push them to any extent.

yeah this is what i meant in my earlier post. i just meant to say that when they were being sus before, i could still somewhat rationalize it in my head because of several factors but now i can’t. there’s no reason for them to be so weird and sus around each other like being flighty about saying ily in idol human theater but being normal with the others. and it’s not just that they have matching items that they wear around the same timeframe, but it’s that they have so many for people who don’t live together and claim to not see each other very often. like i wouldn’t bat an eye if seulgi had that much with her 94z friends because we see them hang out with each other a lot, but it seems like she and irene take extra care to hide that they at least hang out more than they actually do and i find it strange.

[Guest]

Wow the trolling in this place.

Irene and Wendy the most similar tell me more LMAO. It's the reason they don't like each other and never see each other outside of work schedules.

[Guest]

Wow the trolling in this place.

Irene and Wendy the most similar tell me more LMAO. It's the reason they don't like each other and never see each other outside of work schedules.

Can you calm down? the person isn't trolling. It's something that was said before in the past. All they were saying is that they were simply friendly with each other and got along? Maybe they're not as close now but it's not true that they never hung out ever. Some people take this stuff to be too black and white.

[Guest]

Well, I need to point out a few things: firstly, seulrene was considered a tragic ship, so there was no intention of pairing them up, nor did they make any effort to do so, so to read that the company devised a whole storyline for them so perfectly makes me laugh. Wr has always been and still is the team's choice for them.

there's a couple things I want to address with this since I've seen it said so much (and I don't think these things have to be taken in a negative light or a "omg SM totally made this ship for pr" way at all):

1. It's factually inaccurate to say there was no intention of pairing seulrene up or that there was no effort when pairing them up is what allowed red velvet to even happen in the first place. They got paired as rookies and after debut they also did photoshoots together and were often paired up in the group photoshoots. The subunit wouldn't have happened if SM had no intent to pair them together when it's clear they saw the potential. But at the same time I'd also say SM dropped the ball on actually capitalising on them enough.

2. SM does fluff up and exaggerate stories all the time and it's not a crime for people to point out many of the popular pairings have similar stories like they've known each other the longest etc. but I personally don't see much similarities beyond what fans project and the similarities in stories is because the SM training process hasn't changed. There's usually people in every group that are somewhat closer than the others because they knew each other the longest while others came and left. The idea that SM would make up a story for people to buy into when they have so much natural chemistry already is pretty ridiculous. They do lay on some stuff thick though and I think it's good for fans to be somewhat skeptical of what they're being fed but they could have said they just met and hit it off and people would still ship it. It doesn't take much.

3. Since RV aren't much into fanservice and skinship I wouldn't say WR were even a choice. I mean apart from the cosmic MV what was there really? where are their photoshoots? where are their interviews or stories etc.

This is just my opinion. I understand why seulrene is called a tragic ship but I wouldn't 100% agree that SM didn't push them to any extent.

yeah this is what i meant in my earlier post. i just meant to say that when they were being sus before, i could still somewhat rationalize it in my head because of several factors but now i can’t. there’s no reason for them to be so weird and sus around each other like being flighty about saying ily in idol human theater but being normal with the others. and it’s not just that they have matching items that they wear around the same timeframe, but it’s that they have so many for people who don’t live together and claim to not see each other very often. like i wouldn’t bat an eye if seulgi had that much with her 94z friends because we see them hang out with each other a lot, but it seems like she and irene take extra care to hide that they at least hang out more than they actually do and i find it strange.

like you can see sometimes they gravitate towards each other but they generally keep a safe distance while working but at the same time they're also always lowkey watching each other.

[Guest]

there's a couple things I want to address with this since I've seen it said so much (and I don't think these things have to be taken in a negative light or a "omg SM totally made this ship for pr" way at all):

1. It's factually inaccurate to say there was no intention of pairing seulrene up or that there was no effort when pairing them up is what allowed red velvet to even happen in the first place. They got paired as rookies and after debut they also did photoshoots together and were often paired up in the group photoshoots. The subunit wouldn't have happened if SM had no intent to pair them together when it's clear they saw the potential. But at the same time I'd also say SM dropped the ball on actually capitalising on them enough.

2. SM does fluff up and exaggerate stories all the time and it's not a crime for people to point out many of the popular pairings have similar stories like they've known each other the longest etc. but I personally don't see much similarities beyond what fans project and the similarities in stories is because the SM training process hasn't changed. There's usually people in every group that are somewhat closer than the others because they knew each other the longest while others came and left. The idea that SM would make up a story for people to buy into when they have so much natural chemistry already is pretty ridiculous. They do lay on some stuff thick though and I think it's good for fans to be somewhat skeptical of what they're being fed but they could have said they just met and hit it off and people would still ship it. It doesn't take much.

3. Since RV aren't much into fanservice and skinship I wouldn't say WR were even a choice. I mean apart from the cosmic MV what was there really? where are their photoshoots? where are their interviews or stories etc.

This is just my opinion. I understand why seulrene is called a tragic ship but I wouldn't 100% agree that SM didn't push them to any extent.

yeah this is what i meant in my earlier post. i just meant to say that when they were being sus before, i could still somewhat rationalize it in my head because of several factors but now i can’t. there’s no reason for them to be so weird and sus around each other like being flighty about saying ily in idol human theater but being normal with the others. and it’s not just that they have matching items that they wear around the same timeframe, but it’s that they have so many for people who don’t live together and claim to not see each other very often. like i wouldn’t bat an eye if seulgi had that much with her 94z friends because we see them hang out with each other a lot, but it seems like she and irene take extra care to hide that they at least hang out more than they actually do and i find it strange.

like you can see sometimes they gravitate towards each other but they generally keep a safe distance while working but at the same time they're also always lowkey watching each other.

Da, I sometimes wonder how the members must feel or think because the level these two gravitate towards one another in group settings and then veer off into their own little world is crazy. Not to mention they always talk about each other unprompted for no reason. Like how is it always joohyun unnie this or seulgi that when you’ve got 4 other members that you allegedly see more or less about just as frequently lol

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yeah this is what i meant in my earlier post. i just meant to say that when they were being sus before, i could still somewhat rationalize it in my head because of several factors but now i can’t. there’s no reason for them to be so weird and sus around each other like being flighty about saying ily in idol human theater but being normal with the others. and it’s not just that they have matching items that they wear around the same timeframe, but it’s that they have so many for people who don’t live together and claim to not see each other very often. like i wouldn’t bat an eye if seulgi had that much with her 94z friends because we see them hang out with each other a lot, but it seems like she and irene take extra care to hide that they at least hang out more than they actually do and i find it strange.

like you can see sometimes they gravitate towards each other but they generally keep a safe distance while working but at the same time they're also always lowkey watching each other.

Da, I sometimes wonder how the members must feel or think because the level these two gravitate towards one another in group settings and then veer off into their own little world is crazy. Not to mention they always talk about each other unprompted for no reason. Like how is it always joohyun unnie this or seulgi that when you’ve got 4 other members that you allegedly see more or less about just as frequently lol

SA, typo, meant 3 members*

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yeah this is what i meant in my earlier post. i just meant to say that when they were being sus before, i could still somewhat rationalize it in my head because of several factors but now i can’t. there’s no reason for them to be so weird and sus around each other like being flighty about saying ily in idol human theater but being normal with the others. and it’s not just that they have matching items that they wear around the same timeframe, but it’s that they have so many for people who don’t live together and claim to not see each other very often. like i wouldn’t bat an eye if seulgi had that much with her 94z friends because we see them hang out with each other a lot, but it seems like she and irene take extra care to hide that they at least hang out more than they actually do and i find it strange.

like you can see sometimes they gravitate towards each other but they generally keep a safe distance while working but at the same time they're also always lowkey watching each other.

Da, I sometimes wonder how the members must feel or think because the level these two gravitate towards one another in group settings and then veer off into their own little world is crazy. Not to mention they always talk about each other unprompted for no reason. Like how is it always joohyun unnie this or seulgi that when you’ve got 4 other members that you allegedly see more or less about just as frequently lol

lots of knowing looks, elbows, chuckles and eye rolls.

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I also find it odd that Irene & Seulgi being THE 10s 20s 30s barely talk about their days together. In hiseulgi ep, they still went back to that trainee story of first impressions.

0r sometimes we'd hear them talk about being alone in that balcony crying again. I know there was more stories they shared back then but I'd expect to hear more on broadcast? If you know what I mean.
It gotten to a point where I've noticed it and I want to squeeze more stories out of them but they're so careful sharing these things.

[Guest]

Their comfortable touches that they always make sure to hide is so sus. Why always conceal it if it’s not gay? Het girls are very friendly and touchy so idgi

This. There really is no reason to hide or just being shy if it's not gay. And why it's always seulrene

[Guest]

I also find it odd that Irene & Seulgi being THE 10s 20s 30s barely talk about their days together. In hiseulgi ep, they still went back to that trainee story of first impressions.

0r sometimes we'd hear them talk about being alone in that balcony crying again. I know there was more stories they shared back then but I'd expect to hear more on broadcast? If you know what I mean.
It gotten to a point where I've noticed it and I want to squeeze more stories out of them but they're so careful sharing these things.

technically seulgi did say they didn't actually train together much until it was just them and then the others came in. I don't think they were super close before but at the same time they really don't share much about their trainee days or during RV time hanging out much at all? like seulgi just told a story on her YouTube channel about them drinking together the first time and getting drunk but she's never posting the pictures

that's the kind of stuff I'm more interested in but RV keep their stuff on lock

[Guest]

I also find it odd that Irene & Seulgi being THE 10s 20s 30s barely talk about their days together. In hiseulgi ep, they still went back to that trainee story of first impressions.

0r sometimes we'd hear them talk about being alone in that balcony crying again. I know there was more stories they shared back then but I'd expect to hear more on broadcast? If you know what I mean.
It gotten to a point where I've noticed it and I want to squeeze more stories out of them but they're so careful sharing these things.

Yeah that's one of the million thing that shows that the possibility of their dating is really high, they protect they relationship behind a vault. It's like they have a few stories they both vetted as being not compromising and they are set on only staying on their previously vetted stories.
It's also really suspicious that Irene episode on hi seulgi was the sortest she putted out. While they had a lot of activities planned. It looks like she dumped at aleast half of it and barely had enough to put a video out. While they looked like they should have at least 15 more minutes of footage.

[Guest]

I also find it odd that Irene & Seulgi being THE 10s 20s 30s barely talk about their days together. In hiseulgi ep, they still went back to that trainee story of first impressions.

0r sometimes we'd hear them talk about being alone in that balcony crying again. I know there was more stories they shared back then but I'd expect to hear more on broadcast? If you know what I mean.
It gotten to a point where I've noticed it and I want to squeeze more stories out of them but they're so careful sharing these things.

Yeah that's one of the million thing that shows that the possibility of their dating is really high, they protect they relationship behind a vault. It's like they have a few stories they both vetted as being not compromising and they are set on only staying on their previously vetted stories.
It's also really suspicious that Irene episode on hi seulgi was the sortest she putted out. While they had a lot of activities planned. It looks like she dumped at aleast half of it and barely had enough to put a video out. While they looked like they should have at least 15 more minutes of footage.

da thank god someone else noticed about irene's hi seulgi ep being weird i thought i was being crazy. it was so weirdly cut in so many places too like a lot of footage was scrapped and the editor had to still try to make it seem cohesive. you'd think they'd capitalize most out of irene's ep knowing how anticipated it was but noooo it was half the length of most of the other guestings

[Guest]

I also find it odd that Irene & Seulgi being THE 10s 20s 30s barely talk about their days together. In hiseulgi ep, they still went back to that trainee story of first impressions.

0r sometimes we'd hear them talk about being alone in that balcony crying again. I know there was more stories they shared back then but I'd expect to hear more on broadcast? If you know what I mean.
It gotten to a point where I've noticed it and I want to squeeze more stories out of them but they're so careful sharing these things.

Yeah that's one of the million thing that shows that the possibility of their dating is really high, they protect they relationship behind a vault. It's like they have a few stories they both vetted as being not compromising and they are set on only staying on their previously vetted stories.
It's also really suspicious that Irene episode on hi seulgi was the sortest she putted out. While they had a lot of activities planned. It looks like she dumped at aleast half of it and barely had enough to put a video out. While they looked like they should have at least 15 more minutes of footage.

da thank god someone else noticed about irene's hi seulgi ep being weird i thought i was being crazy. it was so weirdly cut in so many places too like a lot of footage was scrapped and the editor had to still try to make it seem cohesive. you'd think they'd capitalize most out of irene's ep knowing how anticipated it was but noooo it was half the length of most of the other guestings

True. That ep barely gave info about how much irene and seulgi's "bff" relationship (based on their published article) aside from how they're comfy they are talking to each other. Irene only said about seulgi's socks and that one yt short about aseul.

[Guest]

Well, I need to point out a few things: firstly, seulrene was considered a tragic ship, so there was no intention of pairing them up, nor did they make any effort to do so, so to read that the company devised a whole storyline for them so perfectly makes me laugh. Wr has always been and still is the team's choice for them.

there's a couple things I want to address with this since I've seen it said so much (and I don't think these things have to be taken in a negative light or a "omg SM totally made this ship for pr" way at all):

1. It's factually inaccurate to say there was no intention of pairing seulrene up or that there was no effort when pairing them up is what allowed red velvet to even happen in the first place. They got paired as rookies and after debut they also did photoshoots together and were often paired up in the group photoshoots. The subunit wouldn't have happened if SM had no intent to pair them together when it's clear they saw the potential. But at the same time I'd also say SM dropped the ball on actually capitalising on them enough.

2. SM does fluff up and exaggerate stories all the time and it's not a crime for people to point out many of the popular pairings have similar stories like they've known each other the longest etc. but I personally don't see much similarities beyond what fans project and the similarities in stories is because the SM training process hasn't changed. There's usually people in every group that are somewhat closer than the others because they knew each other the longest while others came and left. The idea that SM would make up a story for people to buy into when they have so much natural chemistry already is pretty ridiculous. They do lay on some stuff thick though and I think it's good for fans to be somewhat skeptical of what they're being fed but they could have said they just met and hit it off and people would still ship it. It doesn't take much.

3. Since RV aren't much into fanservice and skinship I wouldn't say WR were even a choice. I mean apart from the cosmic MV what was there really? where are their photoshoots? where are their interviews or stories etc.

This is just my opinion. I understand why seulrene is called a tragic ship but I wouldn't 100% agree that SM didn't push them to any extent.

Da Right? WR wasn't a pushed ship. It's just Wendy being greasy and Irene wanting skinship and seeing Wendy as a safe space like when she told her the female DJ was as her type. Irene also mentioned that she and Wendy are the most similar, though I can't remember the exact quote but you can tell they get along the most then so they were the 'bros' imo.

Correction: I’m mixed things up. I can't find any quote of Irene saying they were the most similar because that probably doesn't exist, however I saw old posts where anons said they see they were similar but different at the same time like the anon above said it was just discussed.

I think my point was just about how they seem to get along as buddies the most. Like them doing the fat filter together, it’s just pure buddy energy. It’s different from something like Irene and Seulgi's VLive with the blender and Irene searching Seulgi abs. They have a different energy from the rest.

[Guest]

there's a couple things I want to address with this since I've seen it said so much (and I don't think these things have to be taken in a negative light or a "omg SM totally made this ship for pr" way at all):

1. It's factually inaccurate to say there was no intention of pairing seulrene up or that there was no effort when pairing them up is what allowed red velvet to even happen in the first place. They got paired as rookies and after debut they also did photoshoots together and were often paired up in the group photoshoots. The subunit wouldn't have happened if SM had no intent to pair them together when it's clear they saw the potential. But at the same time I'd also say SM dropped the ball on actually capitalising on them enough.

2. SM does fluff up and exaggerate stories all the time and it's not a crime for people to point out many of the popular pairings have similar stories like they've known each other the longest etc. but I personally don't see much similarities beyond what fans project and the similarities in stories is because the SM training process hasn't changed. There's usually people in every group that are somewhat closer than the others because they knew each other the longest while others came and left. The idea that SM would make up a story for people to buy into when they have so much natural chemistry already is pretty ridiculous. They do lay on some stuff thick though and I think it's good for fans to be somewhat skeptical of what they're being fed but they could have said they just met and hit it off and people would still ship it. It doesn't take much.

3. Since RV aren't much into fanservice and skinship I wouldn't say WR were even a choice. I mean apart from the cosmic MV what was there really? where are their photoshoots? where are their interviews or stories etc.

This is just my opinion. I understand why seulrene is called a tragic ship but I wouldn't 100% agree that SM didn't push them to any extent.

Da Right? WR wasn't a pushed ship. It's just Wendy being greasy and Irene wanting skinship and seeing Wendy as a safe space like when she told her the female DJ was as her type. Irene also mentioned that she and Wendy are the most similar, though I can't remember the exact quote but you can tell they get along the most then so they were the 'bros' imo.

Correction: I’m mixed things up. I can't find any quote of Irene saying they were the most similar because that probably doesn't exist, however I saw old posts where anons said they see they were similar but different at the same time like the anon above said it was just discussed.

I think my point was just about how they seem to get along as buddies the most. Like them doing the fat filter together, it’s just pure buddy energy. It’s different from something like Irene and Seulgi's VLive with the blender and Irene searching Seulgi abs. They have a different energy from the rest.

DA Irene has said her and Wendy are alike in liking to be neat, how they've always felt the same about lots of things since debut and their food preferences are also similar. Meanwhile seulrene always say they're so different/have different tastes. I think it's cute that they adjust for each other and I think they're a bit in denial because they're similar in other ways too?

I couldn't understand why seulgi would say she doesn't like durian but Irene does so she's trying to like it? why is she trying

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Da Right? WR wasn't a pushed ship. It's just Wendy being greasy and Irene wanting skinship and seeing Wendy as a safe space like when she told her the female DJ was as her type. Irene also mentioned that she and Wendy are the most similar, though I can't remember the exact quote but you can tell they get along the most then so they were the 'bros' imo.

Correction: I’m mixed things up. I can't find any quote of Irene saying they were the most similar because that probably doesn't exist, however I saw old posts where anons said they see they were similar but different at the same time like the anon above said it was just discussed.

I think my point was just about how they seem to get along as buddies the most. Like them doing the fat filter together, it’s just pure buddy energy. It’s different from something like Irene and Seulgi's VLive with the blender and Irene searching Seulgi abs. They have a different energy from the rest.

DA Irene has said her and Wendy are alike in liking to be neat, how they've always felt the same about lots of things since debut and their food preferences are also similar. Meanwhile seulrene always say they're so different/have different tastes. I think it's cute that they adjust for each other and I think they're a bit in denial because they're similar in other ways too?

I couldn't understand why seulgi would say she doesn't like durian but Irene does so she's trying to like it? why is she trying

No one cares about your fake wenrene stories incel. Stop trolling. They don’t even talk to each other outside of work.

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No one is trolling. Move on.

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What the hell happened to seulrene today? There was an obvious heavy atmosphere between the two of them.

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What the hell happened to seulrene today? There was an obvious heavy atmosphere between the two of them.

My hottake is nothing happened. That's it lol.

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What the hell happened to seulrene today? There was an obvious heavy atmosphere between the two of them.

My hottake is nothing happened. That's it lol.

Haha real anon. It's not that deep. Seulrene usually hang out the most out of the members. They would probably want to hang out with the members when they meet them at work.

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Does anyone remember that weirdo male choreographer director during r to v doc that told Irene no to letting seulrene touch during one of the choreos? Seeing this makes me happy. Clearly they had someone else working with them on this stage lol