Irene and Seulgi

[Guest]

I remember this



"This is seriously suspicious.
It looks like they're giving each other secret, wink-wink, kiss-kiss signals that only they understand.
Are they crazy?"

It's a joke. Nothing happened between them before Jeju.

[aseulhan]

I remember this



"This is seriously suspicious.
It looks like they're giving each other secret, wink-wink, kiss-kiss signals that only they understand.
Are they crazy?"

It's a joke. Nothing happened between them before Jeju.

I thought it was cute. Not odd to blow kisses to your group members I think there was even another moment different from this that was similar. Doesn't mean that anything happened before then....but why do you say nothing happened til jeju? a lot of k-shippers tend to think something happened before then.

[Guest]

I remember this



"This is seriously suspicious.
It looks like they're giving each other secret, wink-wink, kiss-kiss signals that only they understand.
Are they crazy?"

It's a joke. Nothing happened between them before Jeju.

I thought it was cute. Not odd to blow kisses to your group members I think there was even another moment different from this that was similar. Doesn't mean that anything happened before then....but why do you say nothing happened til jeju? a lot of k-shippers tend to think something happened before then.

Cos Seulgi wrote her own line for Rose which happened after Jeju. "It seems like it took a while for this day to come. Now I know we feel the same something". Irene gave a bouquet of roses with yellow and orange shades which means from friendship to romantic in 2022. I know people hate Hyunny but Irene was spending time with her in 2019. During Monster, people can sense the vibe between them were still platonic or two people who like each other but didn't want to cross a certain line. Now Seulgi said this year "timing is everything" and "So, since you opened that door once that you have kept closed you should take a look around you."

[Guest]

I remember this



"This is seriously suspicious.
It looks like they're giving each other secret, wink-wink, kiss-kiss signals that only they understand.
Are they crazy?"

It's a joke. Nothing happened between them before Jeju.

I thought it was cute. Not odd to blow kisses to your group members I think there was even another moment different from this that was similar. Doesn't mean that anything happened before then....but why do you say nothing happened til jeju? a lot of k-shippers tend to think something happened before then.

What did kshippers said? I didn't know it.
They probably just teasing sr.

[aseulhan]

It's a joke. Nothing happened between them before Jeju.

I thought it was cute. Not odd to blow kisses to your group members I think there was even another moment different from this that was similar. Doesn't mean that anything happened before then....but why do you say nothing happened til jeju? a lot of k-shippers tend to think something happened before then.

What did kshippers said? I didn't know it.
They probably just teasing sr.

Different fans think different things but a lot of them think something shifted during power up era? I think I even saw a twitter poll at one point and that got the most votes. I mean it's just their speculation. After jeju happened a lot more of them started looking at things more closely and fastforward to now they joke a lot about quitting being RPS-ers and writing fics because it looks like they're a really dating .

TBH don't take it too seriously...though whether they think it's real or not real everyone agrees there's a special relationship/fondness there.

[Guest]

It's a joke. Nothing happened between them before Jeju.

I thought it was cute. Not odd to blow kisses to your group members I think there was even another moment different from this that was similar. Doesn't mean that anything happened before then....but why do you say nothing happened til jeju? a lot of k-shippers tend to think something happened before then.

Cos Seulgi wrote her own line for Rose which happened after Jeju. "It seems like it took a while for this day to come. Now I know we feel the same something". Irene gave a bouquet of roses with yellow and orange shades which means from friendship to romantic in 2022. I know people hate Hyunny but Irene was spending time with her in 2019. During Monster, people can sense the vibe between them were still platonic or two people who like each other but didn't want to cross a certain line. Now Seulgi said this year "timing is everything" and "So, since you opened that door once that you have kept closed you should take a look around you."

That's your opinion. Not everyone thinks like this.
There are kseulreners too that have different eras where they notice stuff

[Guest]

I thought it was cute. Not odd to blow kisses to your group members I think there was even another moment different from this that was similar. Doesn't mean that anything happened before then....but why do you say nothing happened til jeju? a lot of k-shippers tend to think something happened before then.

Cos Seulgi wrote her own line for Rose which happened after Jeju. "It seems like it took a while for this day to come. Now I know we feel the same something". Irene gave a bouquet of roses with yellow and orange shades which means from friendship to romantic in 2022. I know people hate Hyunny but Irene was spending time with her in 2019. During Monster, people can sense the vibe between them were still platonic or two people who like each other but didn't want to cross a certain line. Now Seulgi said this year "timing is everything" and "So, since you opened that door once that you have kept closed you should take a look around you."

That's your opinion. Not everyone thinks like this.
There are kseulreners too that have different eras where they notice stuff

It's based on some things that Seulgi herself said and on what we know from the timeline that the older thread has compiled, unlike shippers, including Kseulreners, who shipped them for the sake of shipping based on slow GIFs and memes. They obviously like each other from the beginning so fans would have picked up on it but they were a tragic ship until after Monster. The Kseulreners only started having serious tea after their Jeju trip.

[syd_]

You can always write a feeling or emotion as a lyric even it was passed already. Also, we never know when Seulgi actually wrote that lyrics. It just happened that the song 'Rose' released in 2021. Doesn't mean it was written in 2021.

[Guest]

well i for one welcome all the theories. before jeju i would’ve thought it happened around bad boy era but honestly after jeju i can’t help but form a firm line because something just profoundly shifted with them since then

[syd_]

well i for one welcome all the theories. before jeju i would’ve thought it happened around bad boy era but honestly after jeju i can’t help but form a firm line because something just profoundly shifted with them since then

I also think something happened in Jeju that made me think twice. I used to ship them for the sake of just shipping because they look good together and had great chemistry but now, I think there's something really going on.

[Guest]

Cos Seulgi wrote her own line for Rose which happened after Jeju. "It seems like it took a while for this day to come. Now I know we feel the same something". Irene gave a bouquet of roses with yellow and orange shades which means from friendship to romantic in 2022. I know people hate Hyunny but Irene was spending time with her in 2019. During Monster, people can sense the vibe between them were still platonic or two people who like each other but didn't want to cross a certain line. Now Seulgi said this year "timing is everything" and "So, since you opened that door once that you have kept closed you should take a look around you."

That's your opinion. Not everyone thinks like this.
There are kseulreners too that have different eras where they notice stuff

It's based on some things that Seulgi herself said and on what we know from the timeline that the older thread has compiled, unlike shippers, including Kseulreners, who shipped them for the sake of shipping based on slow GIFs and memes. They obviously like each other from the beginning so fans would have picked up on it but they were a tragic ship until after Monster. The Kseulreners only started having serious tea after their Jeju trip.

They do actually speculate at the same time ship them. Not all shippers just ship. Ksrs even had a whole ass thread with bunch of polls on when things happened between seulrene. They embrace all kinds of theories. I wouldn't just exclude their speculation because they're "shippers". I'm interested in their theories too because seulrene are koreans and their cultures are different from foreigners. It's more plausible that what they think are more in line to what we know and think.

[Guest]

well i for one welcome all the theories. before jeju i would’ve thought it happened around bad boy era but honestly after jeju i can’t help but form a firm line because something just profoundly shifted with them since then

Same, other speculations are so interesting too.
Imho, there was so many layers happened between sr though Jeju is a big event to them but I don't think it's the only event.

[Guest]

That's your opinion. Not everyone thinks like this.
There are kseulreners too that have different eras where they notice stuff

It's based on some things that Seulgi herself said and on what we know from the timeline that the older thread has compiled, unlike shippers, including Kseulreners, who shipped them for the sake of shipping based on slow GIFs and memes. They obviously like each other from the beginning so fans would have picked up on it but they were a tragic ship until after Monster. The Kseulreners only started having serious tea after their Jeju trip.

They do actually speculate at the same time ship them. Not all shippers just ship. Ksrs even had a whole ass thread with bunch of polls on when things happened between seulrene. They embrace all kinds of theories. I wouldn't just exclude their speculation because they're "shippers". I'm interested in their theories too because seulrene are koreans and their cultures are different from foreigners. It's more plausible that what they think are more in line to what we know and think.

The thing is, their speculation is just like WR and not based on a structured timeline, unlike what we have now. Irene's Korean old gay rumors were linked to others like an older unnie (chinese tea), a college student (korean tea), and that stylist (korean tea, l chat tea). That's why many on the thread didn't take SR seriously at that time, despite their visual chemistry, even with the long essays from the old thread—hi, essay anon! Their essays were somewhat like analysis of early behavior that suggests attraction. But back to when it shifted: many anons I engaged with in the other thread, who weren't trolls, agree that it was Jeju. One piece of evidence is that Seulgi wouldn’t let go of the honorifics with Irene while they were doing "Monster," but now she almost slips a Joohyun-i and that cute proof pic no unnie just two heart emojis, tongue and referring to her as cute.

[Guest]

You can always write a feeling or emotion as a lyric even it was passed already. Also, we never know when Seulgi actually wrote that lyrics. It just happened that the song 'Rose' released in 2021. Doesn't mean it was written in 2021.

"210416 210607

"Infant stage" to "Lyrics by", "Composed by" "
https://t.co/sHj0XcmLeH

"Taeyong and Squar helped her a lot in making the song. She said at first it was just the melody, without the lyrics, and they decided it was good so they wanted to flesh it out. She's thankful a lot of people like it!"
https://t.co/TVq6YmwBRF

[Guest]

You can always write a feeling or emotion as a lyric even it was passed already. Also, we never know when Seulgi actually wrote that lyrics. It just happened that the song 'Rose' released in 2021. Doesn't mean it was written in 2021.

"210416 210607

"Infant stage" to "Lyrics by", "Composed by" "
https://t.co/sHj0XcmLeH

"Taeyong and Squar helped her a lot in making the song. She said at first it was just the melody, without the lyrics, and they decided it was good so they wanted to flesh it out. She's thankful a lot of people like it!"
https://t.co/TVq6YmwBRF

210607 IG Story

"'Rose' which I worked on with Taeyong has been released It's my first challenge in lyric writing, composing but I was able to do it well and comfortably thanks to SQUAR and Taeyong. I enjoyed working on it. Please listen a lot " https://t.co/udlp1QG6xR

If they were a thing long before, why would she write about finally feeling the same way only after Jeju happened? It was her first songwriting experience, and the best inspiration comes from what feels the strongest in the moment.

[aseulhan]

It's based on some things that Seulgi herself said and on what we know from the timeline that the older thread has compiled, unlike shippers, including Kseulreners, who shipped them for the sake of shipping based on slow GIFs and memes. They obviously like each other from the beginning so fans would have picked up on it but they were a tragic ship until after Monster. The Kseulreners only started having serious tea after their Jeju trip.

They do actually speculate at the same time ship them. Not all shippers just ship. Ksrs even had a whole ass thread with bunch of polls on when things happened between seulrene. They embrace all kinds of theories. I wouldn't just exclude their speculation because they're "shippers". I'm interested in their theories too because seulrene are koreans and their cultures are different from foreigners. It's more plausible that what they think are more in line to what we know and think.

The thing is, their speculation is just like WR and not based on a structured timeline, unlike what we have now. Irene's Korean old gay rumors were linked to others like an older unnie (chinese tea), a college student (korean tea), and that stylist (korean tea, l chat tea). That's why many on the thread didn't take SR seriously at that time, despite their visual chemistry, even with the long essays from the old thread—hi, essay anon! Their essays were somewhat like analysis of early behavior that suggests attraction. But back to when it shifted: many anons I engaged with in the other thread, who weren't trolls, agree that it was Jeju. One piece of evidence is that Seulgi wouldn’t let go of the honorifics with Irene while they were doing "Monster," but now she almost slips a Joohyun-i and that cute proof pic no unnie just two heart emojis, tongue and referring to her as cute.

I thought the Chinese rumor was about her and a younger idol which people thought was Krystal at the time? And on the college student thing, unless we're thinking about different posts IIRC the college part was just that some stock broker dude heard the rumor that she likes women from a friend they know from university, not that she was dating a university student. cmiiw

[syd_]

You can always write a feeling or emotion as a lyric even it was passed already. Also, we never know when Seulgi actually wrote that lyrics. It just happened that the song 'Rose' released in 2021. Doesn't mean it was written in 2021.

"210416 210607

"Infant stage" to "Lyrics by", "Composed by" "
https://t.co/sHj0XcmLeH

"Taeyong and Squar helped her a lot in making the song. She said at first it was just the melody, without the lyrics, and they decided it was good so they wanted to flesh it out. She's thankful a lot of people like it!"
https://t.co/TVq6YmwBRF

210607 IG Story

"'Rose' which I worked on with Taeyong has been released It's my first challenge in lyric writing, composing but I was able to do it well and comfortably thanks to SQUAR and Taeyong. I enjoyed working on it. Please listen a lot " https://t.co/udlp1QG6xR

If they were a thing long before, why would she write about finally feeling the same way only after Jeju happened? It was her first songwriting experience, and the best inspiration comes from what feels the strongest in the moment.

What I'm trying to say is that as a musician, you can always think of lyrics based on emotions that were already passed. We can agree to disagree since Seulgi has the only say in this. It's just that written lyrics, IMO, may be not the only indicator of musician's feeling as of that moment they wrote the lyrics.

[Guest]

They do actually speculate at the same time ship them. Not all shippers just ship. Ksrs even had a whole ass thread with bunch of polls on when things happened between seulrene. They embrace all kinds of theories. I wouldn't just exclude their speculation because they're "shippers". I'm interested in their theories too because seulrene are koreans and their cultures are different from foreigners. It's more plausible that what they think are more in line to what we know and think.

The thing is, their speculation is just like WR and not based on a structured timeline, unlike what we have now. Irene's Korean old gay rumors were linked to others like an older unnie (chinese tea), a college student (korean tea), and that stylist (korean tea, l chat tea). That's why many on the thread didn't take SR seriously at that time, despite their visual chemistry, even with the long essays from the old thread—hi, essay anon! Their essays were somewhat like analysis of early behavior that suggests attraction. But back to when it shifted: many anons I engaged with in the other thread, who weren't trolls, agree that it was Jeju. One piece of evidence is that Seulgi wouldn’t let go of the honorifics with Irene while they were doing "Monster," but now she almost slips a Joohyun-i and that cute proof pic no unnie just two heart emojis, tongue and referring to her as cute.

I thought the Chinese rumor was about her and a younger idol which people thought was Krystal at the time? And on the college student thing, unless we're thinking about different posts IIRC the college part was just that some stock broker dude heard the rumor that she likes women from a friend they know from university, not that she was dating a university student. cmiiw

Different one. The younger one, I believe, was a blind item that didn’t link to a specific name. They just thought she was among who could match the description. I'm not sure about the Krystal thing, they mentioned there were pictures, but I’ve never seen them. It wasn’t the broker comment. Someone on Instiz said that Irene used to go to their university to leave gifts for a gf.

[aseulhan]

The thing is, their speculation is just like WR and not based on a structured timeline, unlike what we have now. Irene's Korean old gay rumors were linked to others like an older unnie (chinese tea), a college student (korean tea), and that stylist (korean tea, l chat tea). That's why many on the thread didn't take SR seriously at that time, despite their visual chemistry, even with the long essays from the old thread—hi, essay anon! Their essays were somewhat like analysis of early behavior that suggests attraction. But back to when it shifted: many anons I engaged with in the other thread, who weren't trolls, agree that it was Jeju. One piece of evidence is that Seulgi wouldn’t let go of the honorifics with Irene while they were doing "Monster," but now she almost slips a Joohyun-i and that cute proof pic no unnie just two heart emojis, tongue and referring to her as cute.

I thought the Chinese rumor was about her and a younger idol which people thought was Krystal at the time? And on the college student thing, unless we're thinking about different posts IIRC the college part was just that some stock broker dude heard the rumor that she likes women from a friend they know from university, not that she was dating a university student. cmiiw

Different one. The younger one, I believe, was a blind item that didn’t link to a specific name. They just thought she was among who could match the description. I'm not sure about the Krystal thing, they mentioned there were pictures, but I’ve never seen them. It wasn’t the broker comment. Someone on Instiz said that Irene used to go to their university to leave gifts for a gf.

Oh I see thank you! From what I remember the hints were same company, the person was around 3 years younger and could speak English or something like that? so it made people think Krystal along with those alleged pictures I've never seen either. And that they went into the same car. Since finding out there's so many Chinese WR shippers I won't lie I thought maybe it could be a possibility that the rumor was originally intended to point to W...Krystal always seemed way too far fetched.

I think it's interesting and worth noting that people have actually posted rumors like that about Irene though

[Guest]

I’m on the tl that nothing solid happened until Jeju, but think they at least kissed way before that

[Guest]

Look, I respectfully know that most of you met Seulrene after or during Monster, but before that there was a lot of gay discussion about them. There were even rumors of night kisses on the beach in the USA.

[Guest]

Look, I respectfully know that most of you met Seulrene after or during Monster, but before that there was a lot of gay discussion about them. There were even rumors of night kisses on the beach in the USA.

Oh stop it, those weren't rumors but speculations based on walking on the beach but the vibes were still unnie and dongsaeng.

[Guest]

I thought the Chinese rumor was about her and a younger idol which people thought was Krystal at the time? And on the college student thing, unless we're thinking about different posts IIRC the college part was just that some stock broker dude heard the rumor that she likes women from a friend they know from university, not that she was dating a university student. cmiiw

Different one. The younger one, I believe, was a blind item that didn’t link to a specific name. They just thought she was among who could match the description. I'm not sure about the Krystal thing, they mentioned there were pictures, but I’ve never seen them. It wasn’t the broker comment. Someone on Instiz said that Irene used to go to their university to leave gifts for a gf.

Oh I see thank you! From what I remember the hints were same company, the person was around 3 years younger and could speak English or something like that? so it made people think Krystal along with those alleged pictures I've never seen either. And that they went into the same car. Since finding out there's so many Chinese WR shippers I won't lie I thought maybe it could be a possibility that the rumor was originally intended to point to W...Krystal always seemed way too far fetched.

I think it's interesting and worth noting that people have actually posted rumors like that about Irene though

'Many Chinese WR shippers' they're just loud, but that doesn't mean they're there that many. I think people fell for the troll who wants to say Irene will ignore Seulgi to please CFANS. LMAO Seulgi is more popular than Wendy in terms of bar followers followed by Joy. What I know is that there's a reason W AKGAEs might hold grudge against the Chinese fandom, it's because Irene always wins there, unlike on the international side. That troll even tried to claim that Irene needs to please WR to please CFANS like? Wendy's fans are delusional about her popularity. CFANS love Irene for her personality, which isn’t that of a people pleaser. The moments Irene fan serviced with Wendy were all part of a choreography, she wasn’t the only one, every member from Seulgi to Yeri participated in the fanservice with Wendy.

[Guest]

They definitely f*ck at Jeju, there's the afterglow and intimacy in those photos.
Imho Seulgi have the hots for Irene since pre debut era then feelings got deeper meanwhile Irene was busy with on and off relationship with some other ppl, for years stanning them many instances that I noticed Irene's behavior when she's with a lover ( Even the short lived rs with Hyun ), then 1022 happened that's the eye-opener for Irene to saw Seulgi as more than a sister, likewise these treatment of hers for Seulgi made me realized that there's a shift in dynamic after Jeju, Seulgi noticeably taking charge, treating Irene with outmost care in a lover manner, iykyk. Then the Dreamcon happened surely there's some intense scenario there, now they sort out everything. Their getting braver and braver and I loved that.
Also my take on the HK trip of them, if my prediction was right. Seulgi's cousin was only there to create confusion for RV stan not to see it as an outside of the country date of them like the Japan one.

[Guest]

Look, I respectfully know that most of you met Seulrene after or during Monster, but before that there was a lot of gay discussion about them. There were even rumors of night kisses on the beach in the USA.

Oh stop it, those weren't rumors but speculations based on walking on the beach but the vibes were still unnie and dongsaeng.

That’s your opinion, only. And okay, mine is different and I say that because I'm a veteran luvie. There isn't a soul who doesn't know how Irene lusted after Seulgi.
Seulgi, on the other hand, seemed to be in denial about liking women.